Should Phish Be In The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame?

On Tuesday, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced nominees for the class of 2022, a list of acts highlighted by Rage Against the Machine, Beck, Eminem, A Tribe Called Quest, and Dolly Parton. Yes, Dolly Parton is not in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Lionel Richie (as a solo artist) nor Pat Benatar. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, like most Hall of Fames (and awards in general) doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

Now, for the most part, the general consensus is that this crew of nominees is both solid and deserving. First-time nominees like Beck, Eminem, and A Tribe Called Quest can all make a good case for why they should be nominated, while the aforementioned Parton and Benatar deserve to have their name called. For crying out loud, Parton wrote “I Will Always Love You” and “Jolene” on the same day and helped fund initial research for the COVID vaccine. I’m not sure what else she has to do. Maybe cure cancer? Give her time, kid.

Rage Against the Machine feels like a first-time nominee, but they’ve actually been nominated four times already, striking out each time. You have to think that this is the year, right? Dionne Warwick is nominated for a second time and who knows, maybe being super fun on Twitter might prove to be an asset?

Even though everyone seems okay with the nominees, there’s obviously going to be some grumbling from the back of the room about who didn’t get nominated. WHAT ELSE DOES TOAD THE WET SPROCKET HAVE TO DO, YOU BASTARDS? They wrote, “Fall Down” for crying out loud. Do they also have to a hand in coming up with a COVID vaccine, maybe one for kids under five? I mean, that’d be pretty sweet. So…maybe?

Whatever. This is not the Toad the Wet Sprocket discussion. That obviously deserves more time. This is the Phish discussion. More specifically, it’s the should Phish be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame discussion.

Should Phish be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Who cares?

No, I’m serious. Should they?

I’m serious too. Who cares?

Okay, well, Phish fans do?

Great.

So they tend to think the band does deserve to be in the hall.

I’m sure they do. And I don’t know, maybe Phish does deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame but at the same time, who gives a shit. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is weird and the band already kind of is in the Hall of Fame because their famous hot dog is there. That’s pretty sweet and you could argue that it means more than the band actually being inducted.

Does it though?

Probably not. But whatever. It’s an award and awards are dumb. Doesn’t Phish seem like the kind of band who could care less about awards?

Yeah, kind of.

So why should fans then?

It’s phans.

Shut up.

Okay, fine. But in some sense, getting nominated into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is validation, recognition that what an artist has done means something in the grand scheme of things. I think with that in mind, Phish definitely deserves to be there. As someone pointed out on Twitter today, “they are routinely on the highest-grossing tour list, they’re masters of industry/musical innovation, they pioneered online downloads AND the modern festival.” And when they appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in 1998, they called the band “the most important band of the ’90s.” The 90s! So much happened in music during that decade that to call them the most important band of the decade is in the words of Andy Samberg playing Nic Cage, “high praise.”

You can make a case for them getting in based on their influence on the live music side of the ledger, but I think where the argument hits a wall is when you look at their albums.

Proceed.

Of their fifteen studio albums, only six have managed to go Gold. Three of them have cracked the top ten with Billy Breathes and Fuego reaching number seven and The Story of the Ghost reaching number eight. They’ve done a little better with songs. Both “Heavy Things” and “The Connection” reached number two on Billboard’s Adult Alternative Airplay chart. However, the last song they had to make any noise on that chart was “Breath and Burning,” which made it to 23 in 2016. They’re not exactly tearing up the charts.

So what’s your point?

It’s kind of a one-lane highway with Phish. They don’t have tiers of success. Yes, they are a touring juggernaut, and that matters. But on the flip side, they don’t have much of a legacy when it comes to success commercially with sales and charts, which is something the hall factors in when nominating acts.

Wait, how does the Hall decide who gets nominated?

From a press release that came out today: “To be eligible for nomination, an individual artist or band must have released its first commercial recording at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination. Factors such as an artist’s musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation, and superiority in style and technique are taken into consideration.”

Okay, helpful. Thank you. But breaking that down into bullet points, doesn’t Phish have a case? They released their first album well over 25 years ago, their influence is undeniable, the length & depth of their career can be summed up by the fact that they tore shit up in the summer of 2021 with the fire of a thousand splendid suns, innovation is their bread and butter and no one can question their chops.

Yes, I think their influence is undeniable but I also think their influence is mainly undeniable as a live band, which goes along with my point of them only operating on one side of the ledger.

What about the length and depth of their career?

Yeah. Great. They’ve been around forever. But that’s just one thing to consider.

Fine. What about the Grateful Dead? They’re a close historical comp and they were inducted in 1994. If they can get in, why can’t Phish?

I defer to Steven Hyden on this one.

“Phish is genuinely unique for being an arena-rock band that has had virtually no impact on the pop world. Even the Grateful Dead had hit songs — there is no equivalent in Phish’s catalogue to a Top 40 smash like “Touch of Grey,” or even the Dead’s FM radio warhorses like “Truckin’” and “Casey Jones.” Phish has exactly zero songs that anyone who doesn’t listen to them obsessively knows.”

Classic rock radio stations probably play a Dead song once a day. Who plays Phish? Maybe the local college station? Kind of not the same thing (and that’s no disrespect to college radio stations. My favorite local station is one and yes, every once in a while I hear a Phish song, but even with them, I hear the Dead more.)

But what about something like Big Cypress or the Bakers Dozen run?

Notches on that side of the ledger. But I think when it comes to the hall, everything needs to be considered and Phish’s near-complete absence from whatever you want to consider the mainstream matters. If something like Billy Breathes was bigger and/or maybe “Down With Disease” was more of a radio hit, it would be a different story.

Well…

Well, nothing. I think that’s that and there’s not much that can be done about it. AND THAT’S FINE. Who the hell cares about Phish getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Phish is Phish. It’s a community and a family. Who cares about outside approval? Phish fans love Phish and that should be all that matters, especially at this stage of the game. I get the desire to want the band to be recognized for their achievements by folks outside the tent and I think at some point that will happen, but that’s not now and probably won’t be anytime soon. Direct your concerns elsewhere, Phish fans. At some point, the Hall will come calling but until then…

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Rage and Tribe should get in though, right?

Oh yeah. Hundred percent.



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